NORTHWEST SEWER PROJECT TENDER AWARDED
Posted on 02 March 2010 by admin
OSOYOOS TIMES-March 3, 2010
By Laurena Weninger - Osoyoos Times
The tender for Phase 1 of the Northwest Sector Sewer Project has been assigned and that means shovels will likely be in the ground within the next two weeks.
At their March 1 meeting, Osoyoos town councillors agreed to give the tender for the first part of the project, which encompasses an area from Osoyoos’s northern boundary to the end of 89th Street, to a Penticton company called Sunland Utilities.
Five tenders were received.
The highest bid came in at $1.3 million – but Sunland was the lowest, at just more than $708,000.
Each of the bids included five per cent GST and $30,000 contingency.
Additionally, council agreed to order a prefabricated lift station for the project from a Vancouver-based manufacturer called Flygt for a cost of more than $67,000.
The budget for this item had been $69,000.
The Sunland tender also came in under budget and in conjunction with the lift station price tag and other costs, there is currently a surplus budget of $186,196 for the project, states a report from the project engineers, TRUE Consulting Group.
reporter@osoyoostimes.com
Mis-information continues?
Jan 13 Times article states that Phase 1 of the project is expected to cost roughly $600,000 and the RDOS portion of that cost is $200,000.
So if my math is correct $708,00 + $67,000= $775,000
Thats $175,000 more, yes MORE than the $600,000 budget. And then they say there is currently a surplus budget of $186,196 for the project? I wonder if their using the new OBWB grant somehow in order to twist the numbers?
WHO IS THE GUTLESS WONDER THAT GOES BY THE NOM DE PLUME POOGUY ANTAGONIST. IF YOU WANTTO FIRE STICKS INTO THE GEARS AT LEAST HAVE THE BALLS TO USE YOUR GOD GIVEN NAMEYOURS TRULY PITY SHMITTY
bob
I did’nt know you had a dog in this fight. What’s your interest? property in the NW Sewer? consultation for the engineering firm in establishing easements for certain property owners’ future developments?
Whats-up!
dear uninformed as you didnt put your god given name i dont know if your a johny come latelyor what.my concern is twenty years ago i was the chairman of the boundary restructuring committee a position i took very serious as i could see the condition of our lake was becoming a cesspool.i dont have any properties or any friends have properties that would benificially benifit from me pushing for the project to succeed.i have stated that we cannot grow over the five thousand residents number as we cannot afford policing costs till we hit 7000 people.isnt it funny how i have to be on the take in your feeble little mind.one day i will list the accomplishments that i saw through and for the most part came out of my ass pocket.i love my home and town.thats why i can sign my name with pride.rw bob knight note to editor it must wood tick season
bob
Do you honestly believe that 121 houses that are occupied ( in most cases for as liitle as two weeks a year )is going to make a difference to the quality of a lake that has a current that flushes itself every four months? Perhaps someone as informed as yourself should look upstream to a place like OK Falls (Skaha Estates) and realize that they have far more residents and no waste water treatment. Lets fight the policing issue after we resolve the improprities in the way the NW Sewer Project is being handled. Regards
dear uninformed,look not ito the septic disposals up the valley untill your pond is clean.just for th heck of it go and look at the lagoon there re lining up at chuck emery springs. the syringe needles and plastic applicators are so thick it would turn you off grub for awhile.yesive looked at it.darn.i wonder if thats a conflict of intrest.
Yah sure Bob! We believe you’re involved solely for your concern for the lake.
Knight Knight
Uninformed
How dumb are you? Bob Knight designed a 30 lot subdivion for the Demello property between 87th st and the lake. This plan was presented to Steve Underwood of True Engineering with the stipulation that easements though Demello’s property would be granted if they would build a new road off 98 th ave, build new ‘catch-basins’ and run the pipe where it would suit their future subdivion. It’s interesting that those poor ’saps’ on 87th st that don’t want (or need)the sewer will end up paying to subsidize a subdivion that will block their view of the lake! Bob’s your uncle!
Dear old truth teller
In defence of Bob I think you may have got some of your information somewhat mixed up (unless of course you know something I don’t and then I stand corrected)
Tread carefully!
fellow romans countrymen uninformed and informed , the rumor that i designed a thirty lot subdivision for the demelos is ballderdash .that was done by cohorts of dumoret years earlier when he acquired a right of way through demelos orchard.i was aware of it yes but it has become apparent that the lot in its surrounded nature cannot be farmed easily anymore.one of the problems is that all you close nieghbours like to trespass some for excercise but some to eat the forbidden fruit.when i approached mr demelo it was because he was thinking of giving this very orchard to a church group.i never recieved one red cent other than a bottle of wine and as most people that really know me i dont drink so gave it to someone else.some of you are ticked because you loose your boat launch sites but your view of the lake will never be taken. it might be shared but who are you to think when you bought on 87th you had exclusive lakeview.if we keep dribbling on this subject in ten years there will be new lots ahead of the beach lots and youll be able to walk across the lake and play canasta with senator louie.in the first go around unless you had an existing house you couldnt get on the sewer line.thats where the turds slowed down and people balked at giving right of way. stay tuned.bobs your uncle knight knight
Uncle Bob
That wouldn’t be the church of St. Demello would it?
OK “the gigs up!” Everybody knows (the Town of Osoyoos, RDOS and True Consulting Group) there is a concession in place to accommodate the future Demello 30 lot sudivision. Lets lay our cards on the table, be open about any side deals with property owners, and move forward with the project. As Tiger would probably tell you its better to be upfront with the public than to coverup one lie with another. Lets delete the properties on 87th st. from the poject as they have no relevance (they don’t want to join, have’nt been informed that they were expected to join, are at least 500 metres from the lake and only add to the overall cost!) Next you should eliminate the Demello property or any other poperties that won’t grant easements. You can run a “forced main” up 104th ave. and down 87th ave. picking-up the 98th St. poperties before connecting to the Town of Osoyoos at 92nd ave. There! No side deals, concession, backroom under the table negotiations-those are all public accesses. Jezz, do I have to engineer this thing for you too!
old truth teller
if there was a side deal the taxpayers would be the winners as thirty million dollars more of appraised value would go aways to pay policing costs unfortunately your not the engineer and either am i.there is the one thing that you keep forgetting and that its in the alr louis could be in the promised land for forty years before it comes out.i hope you guys forgive my typing parkinsons is a bitch but it doesnt make a liar out of you.the only deals i ever saw true do have always been in favour of the town at times id have like to flush him but ive been to anger management .mr demelo has signed his documents as a good corporate customer as dumoret and plut.in talking to folks on 87th about a third want sewer a third are afraid when the ditch is openedthe waste water and pool backwash will show up. for your information the smallest lot allowed now with out community seweris 2.2 acres if any septic disposal system failed on 87 youd would have complications getting a new system
thank god the pipe kicks of on monday
Uncle Bob
I’m sure the homeowners will be thrilled to know their taxes will be going up! Don’t start believing your own BS (just like the politions.) There are three groups in this foray: (1) THE INFORMED: the developers of future subdivions ie. Willow Beach, Reflection Point, Demelo and any other propery owners that have something to gain other than “the good of the lake.” THE UNINFORMED: the original 121 that actually border the lake(that the gov’t grant was originally intended and have not had any information from RDOS or the Town of Osoyoos) and the “mad as hell 12″ on 87th St. that have no idea why they are being included as they are 500 metres from the lake and feel like they are subsidizing a 30 lot sudivion that will block their view! The last group are THE MISINFORMED: anyone that is relying on the Town of Osoyoos or RDOS for information! Stay tuned this only Phase 1. Bob, which camp are you in?
Bob
I would’nt go so far as to call you a National Treasure but no one can question your heart and/or spirit. I think you know a lot more about the “big picture” than you are letting on!
uncle bob
Your having too much fun! I didn’t quite get the reference to “the town”? Throw me a bone!
Obviously you didn’t graduate the course!
Iin the beginning there was adam and eve now we have to be gramatically correct so we say adam and steve .Here are some facts,in the 121 not one of these were at willow beach in other words there was no provision to hook up willow beach until bob wilson showed up circa 2007.since that time a consulting planner has built a two storey house with a pump out holding tank on the lake in hopes of being connected a little ways along another house has been built or rebuilt then you skip to inkaneep.it would be a natural for don to go big and high if he was on town water and sewer.sure wish i had bought that from adam cumine in the early sixties.yes there is the possibilities of homes on the bank south of there but roman would rather have chickadees than green backs and at roberts point there are a few lots left.now were at the packing house they want to put the wash water in the sewer no way.
now think about it the madder then hell 12uninformed first your on clean gravel with a perk of about forty seconds and if you were5oo yards from the lake which in fact your closer to two fifty it takes about thirteen hours for your effluent to reach the lake.now if i was trying to jam you i would be the fool but theres three of you that are waitng for a connection that feel 8000 dollars is a deal.as for you pool owners tort law and enviromental law says you cannot divert water off your lot on the surface to facilitate your back wash and fall pump down. a dry well is acceptable.in a new subdivision i normally allow about thirteen thousand plus adcc of 3500 plus for sewer.This is a deal providing you dont keep trying to pee upstream in the river and loose the grants.
SOME GOOD DOES COME OUT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT.FOR EXAMPLE THE OLD WITCHES CIRCLE PROPERTY THAT HAD ACRES OF ROTTING WOOD WASTE GENERATING TANNENS OF LIGNUM AND SULPHUR DIOXIDE HAS ALL BEEN DUG OUT READY FOR THE UNSCRUPULOUS DEVELOPERS TO AMASS ENORMOUS PROFITS.I BELIEVE BILLY BARLEE REFERRED TO THEM TYPES AS SPECULATORS.THE NEW NAME IS REFLECTIONS POINTBY THE TIME ROBIN GETS THE SEWER AND FILL IN THIER THE MARGINS WILL BE TIGHTBUT ENVIROMENTALLY SOUND.
Bob,Bob,Bob
Bob,Bob,Bob! After all those nice things I said about you! Why are you out there confronting these innocent residents on 87th St because they don’t agree with your opinions. These people have legitimate concerns that need to be addressed. If you are truly not involved then why are you intimidating them? Perhaps
you should complete the ‘anger management course’!
DEAR UNINFORMED 121 IT IS NOT IN BOB S NATURE TO INTIMIDATE THOSE FOLKS.FIRSTLY IF THERE WERE HIEGHT RESTRICTIONS ON BUILDING NO ONE WOULD LOOSE THIER VIEW IN FACT 30 MORE COULD SHARE THIER VIEW.TO SHOW HOW GRACIOUS BOB IS HE WILL HOOK UPTHE AGED SEWERS AT NO CHARGE FOR EQUIMENT OR LABOR PIPE AND PUMPS ARE EXTRA TO QUALIFY YOU CANTHAVE MORE THAN FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS OF PENSIONABLE INCOME.AND BOB HAS TO STIL BE ALIVE.DEAL OR NO DEAL.TO 121UNINFORMED GET WITH THE PROGRAM ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.GIVE ME A HINT OF WHO YOU ARE
I wasn’t going to weigh into this pi$$ing contest but there are a couple of points I would like to deal with.
Mr. Knight AKA “hey this is kewl” indicated that the 87th street owners are more like 250 yards from the lake and he is correct but we are also 20 to 25 yards above the lake. Now in my day gravitational pull was downwards and not sideways. His percolation theory is very flawed as it relates to the actual properties in question and to my knowledge there has never been any testing done to prove or disprove his theory. Even though Mr. Prendergraft in 2006 said a study was necessary to meet all the criteria for an application to senior government for two-thirds funding of the sewer project. He added part of the study could include dye testing, and letters will be sent home to owners asking if they are willing to co-operate with these tests. He also said a suitable public assent process would likely be held to gauge the rural residents’ wishes.
In fact it has been determined through studies that 50% of the phosphorus in a septic system is removed by settling and subsequent pumping. Of the remaining 50 % approximately 85% is removed within 1 meter of the drain pipe entering the field. That works out to 92.5% being removed. Now granted that this would be a problem for lakeshore properties where the water table is higher or where the septic system is close to a community well but the combination of the distance our properties are above and away from the lake makes it near impossible to have any effect on the lake at all. Also for your information it had been determined in a recent report masters thesis by a U. of S. graduate student that it was fertilizer nitrates used in the orchards and not septic tank nitrates which are responsible for the high levels of nitrates in the lake. But hey why ruin a good story with actual facts!
I’m looking at your gracious offer Bob and will comment on it in a separate reply. I would be nice to believe that you are sincere and not trying to divide & conquer.
Rick D
DEAR RICK MY OFFER IS SINCERE AND THE HIEGHT YOU ARE ABOVE IN A VERTICAL FORMATION WOULD BE GREAT BUT AS YOU GO DOWN THE IN THE THREE INCH GRAVELS THERES VERY LITTLE OF THE SHARP 300 FINES THAT ACTUALLY FILTER OUT YOUR SEWAGE,NOW TO COMPLICATE THIS THE UNDER SIDE OF THE GRAVELS WE ENCOUNTER 200 VERTICAL FEET OF BLUE AND BROWN CLAY ALL SLOPING TO THE BOTTOM OF THE VALLEY AND IN MOST CASES THE EDGE OF THE LAKE. WHEN THE CONTRACTOR EXCAVATES FOR THE LIFT STATION MY POINT WILL BE MADE.RICK I FIND YOU BRIGHT AND ENLIGHTINING AND SINCERE BUT AS FOR YOUR FRIEND MIKE 121 UNINFORMED HE CAN JUST TWIDDLE HIS THUMBS WITH HIS BUSINESS. PARTNER NEXT TO THE LIFT STATION.AS A REFRENCE I REFER TO THE DRILL LOGS OF THE PFRA 1946 AND THE WATER INVESTIGATION BRANCH 1971 WITH GEOFF FORWAKER PENGID LOVE TO CHAT MORE BUT I WANT TO GO TO THE HIGHWAYS WIDENING AND MAKE THE CAULDRON BUBBLE.LATER
Bob
Why is it so important for you to know who I am? It wouldn’t be so you can “punch my lights out”! I am just a poor overtaxed, underrepresented homeowner that gets treated like a child everytime I ask a simple question. I do have some of the facts:
(1) There is an aggrement (contract) in place to accommodate Demelo’s future subdivsions.
(2) The Town of Osoyoos, Mark Pendergraf, Steve Underwood and John Slater are also aware of this agreement.
What I don’t know is:
(1) Who made the decision to include the residents of 87th St into the project and why?
(2) What are the terms of the Demelo contract?
(3) What is the real cost to the taxpayers?
(4) Why are we subsidizing future subdivions on ALR land that contributes to “urban sprawl”?
WAR IS HELL!!!
Bob
I was unsuccessful in locating your former 3rd grade teacher so she could tranlate your “rhetoric” for me. When hockey legend Eddie Shack was asked if he truly couldn’d read or write, how did he graduate 3rd grade? His response was “I would lend the teacher my car”! Did you have a simular arrangement? Was it really you that had the engineers place the lift station next to Mayor Wells’ property? Bob, you are a very bad boy!!!
AH YEAH THE LATE MRS HANINGTON GRADE THREE WAS A GREAT YEAR.NUMBER 23 EDDIE SHACK TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS HAD A CAR GOOD FOR HIM
MY TEACHERS AND I WERENT THAT CLOSE BUT I DONT HAVE TO RESORT TO HURLING INSULTS AROUND JUST CAUSE I RUN OUTA LIES.LIKE WHO SIGNED EVERYONES NAME ON THE PISSED OFF TWELVE WHEN I KNOW THREE THAT DIDNT. GO AHEAD CALL MY BLUFF.
REMEMBER IF YOU OPT OUT ANEW ONSITE DISPOSAL SYSTEM COULD COST YOU ANYWHERE FROM 25000 TO40000 IF YOUVE GOT THE ACCCESS.ITS BEEN FUN BUT UNPRODUCTIVE.I REMEMBER PEOPLE ASKING ME TO RUN FOR REGIONAL DISTRICT DIRECTOR BUT I REPLIED HOW CAN I RUN FOR SOMETHING THATI DONT THINK SHOULD EXIST.IM OUTA HERE WAR IS WAR POLITICS IS HELL AND GRANKIDS MAKE IT ALL WORTH WHILE.BOB KNIGHT ALIAS KEWL
Bad Bob
You will truly be missed! It has been fun! I guess we’ll have to come at this from another angle. And all this time I actually thaught you were “the old truth teller”! You must have got what you wanted. Regards!
Mr. D
Did Mr. Knight say that if you have an income of less than $40,000 he will provide the labor and equipment to take out our existing septic and hookup to the new sewer? We would only have to pay for the materials? I live on 81st St, do I still qualify for his generous offer? I look forward to your response. Thank you and Mr. Knight.
Dear Uncle Bob
We’re on the bench so excavating by the lakeshore for the liftstation doesn’t prove anything about our septics. I couldn’t find anything on your references but I am open minded and if you send me the link I’ll review your data. FYI my 2009 reference on this subject can be downloaded at http://library2.usask.ca/theses/available/etd-08272009-114503/unrestricted/PanaMScThesis2009.pdf
The following is from that Panagiota Athanasopoulos study :
The valley bottom and benchlands are comprised of glacial materials deposited 10,000 to 12,000 years ago during stages of retreat of the last advance of the Wisconsin (Fraser) glacial ice sheet, and of post-glacial materials deposited by alluvial fans, beaches and spits (Nasmith, 1962). Within the valley bottom, Osoyoos Lake occupies a depression formed by the melting of an extensive ice lobe segment (Nasmith, 1962). The benchlands are comprised of sand and gravel outwash terrace and kettled outwash (glaciofluvial) deposits that range from roughly 1 to 16 m in thickness (BC Ministry of Environment [BC MOE], September 2008; Nasmith, 1962; Piteau Associates, 1989). On individual benches, the ground surface is undulating, and within the central and south portions of the study area, kettle lakes (and remnants of kettle lakes - now filled in) are present. Glaciolacustrine and/or till deposits comprised of silt with varying amounts of clay, sand and gravel, underlie the glaciofluvial deposits (Nasmith, 1962; Piteau Associates, 1989). The silts have been classified as (1) glaciolacustrine in origin, deposited within glacial Lake Oliver which formed after ponds along the ice margins coalesced over the ice lobe that occupied the valley (Nasmith, 1962); and (2) as glacial till, based on their often gravelly nature and on the observation that kettle lakes on the ground surface appear to correspond to depressions in the surface of the silt (Piteau Associates, 1989). The surface of the silt deposits is undulating, likely a result of melting of stagnant masses of ice buried within the silts (Nasmith, 95 1962). In the north portion of the study area, the thickness of the silts is roughly 51 m in the upper bench (Knight, August 2008; BC MOE, September 2008) to 44 m near Osoyoos Lake (Paley, June 2006). In the central portion of the study area, the thickness is up to approximately 113 m (BC MOE, September 2008), and in the south, the thickness is greater than 19 m (Piteau Associates, 1989). The silt deposits transition from brown to grey at depths of greater than 16 m below the top of the silt (BC MOE, September 2008), corresponding to the reduction-oxidation boundary.
A >1.5 m thick layer of coarse gravel and cobbles is present below the glaciolacustrine and/or till deposits in the north portion of Osoyoos, west of Osoyoos Lake (Paley, June 2006). Little information is available for this unit. However, it is known that adjacent to Osoyoos Lake, it is present at a depth of roughly 47 m below ground surface (mbgs) and is overlain by approximately 3 m of coarse gravel near the ground surface followed by approximately 44 m of silt and clay. In the upper benchlands, the unit is thin (thickness unknown) and is overlain by approximately 51 m of silt and/or clay (Knight, August 2008). The extents of the coarse gravel and cobble layer to the north and south are not currently known.
Now go and enjoy the grandkids.
Best regards
Rick D
dear mike rick and stu and whomever i missed v engence is mine so sayeth the lord heck this aint about winning or loosing this about property values and the condition of the lake.people dont come to see bums like us mike otherwise we would be sold out .they come to pee in our lake cuz our councils to busy trying to be developers instead of putting biffies by the lake.one councillor thinks by taking away thier beer it will clean up the lake.i am being rather cheeky.any way i thought i would try my hand at literary discourse before i get busy .the property values i talk of is when youre pushing up daisies and your kids are trying to sell it and the listing agent asks if its on sewer and you say no its still on a fifty year old septic tank and they deduct one hundred grand.you know that already happened
rick your data is good.
if you see in the young greek girlsthesis the refrence to knight.that is yours truly.
the refrence tto 1962 was made avvailable in71 and came about by the orchards on the west bench inundated by surface water from over sprinkling at the vineyard.
there were a group of pizometers drilled in four basic lines to the lake.the results were monitored for ten years and was apparent that the run ooff below the vineyard was condiderable
.my other refrence is the drilling done circa 1946 by the pfra which was federlly funded.
prairiefarmrehabilitationact of which my family farm was drilled twice. sometime lets talk. i can drive you as i did with pana and show you the source of calcium nitrates at two distinct sites.my regards bob knight
Mr. Bob
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I beleave that the Times reported that the total budget for phase 1 was approx. $600,000. The contract was awarded to the low bidder for approx. $700,000, plus $75,000 for the “lift station”. The town reported that they were pleased that the tender came in under budget. Is this some sort of “new math” because it looks to me they are approx. $175,000 over budget? Ask your grandkids! At what point do the engineering costs show up and what is normal fee on a project like this? I’m assuming they are paid on a percentage of gross! Regards.”
PUT ME IN COACH IM READY TO PLAY 250 498 7451MAY I REITERATE ITS ABOUT THE LAKE NOT COIN BUT COIN IS GOOD.THE SEPTIC TRUCK SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO ABOUT THREE OF THEM OLD TANKS AT A TIME FOR COST SAVING AND IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE HAULED TO OLIVER YET.THE TOWN SHOULD WAVE THE TIPPING FEES FOR THIS AS MYSELF AND THE DESERT CENTRE PUKE SOME EVENING FROM THE STENCH.MIND YOU IVE BEEN PRETTY CATTY TO THEM SO THEY MIGHT TELL ME TO PUT JAM ON IT. BOB KNIGHTAFTER THIS I WILL BE PITTY SHMITTY
HOLAS THE NORTH WEST SEWER IS GOING IN THE GROUND AND THE NAYSAYERS ARE PHONING THE MINISTRY OF ENVIROMENT ABOUT THE DEMELOS TEARING OUT TREES IN THE RIPARIAN AREA.CONSERVATION OFFICER BOB HAMILTON CONTACTED THE DEMELO FAMILY WANTING TO KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND A SPOKESMAN FOR THE PROJECT ENLIGHTENED THE CO AS TO WHO WHERE AND WHAT.HE APPEARED TO BE SATISFIED BUT WAS TOLD TO COME AND SATISFY HIMSELF.HE STATED THEY USUALLY GET CALLED ABOUT THE FARMER SPRAYING BECAUSE THE URBAN COMMUNITY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE FARMERS RIGHT TO FARM. BOB KNIGHT